MUSLIMS ARE JUST A RED HERRING HERE

On the terrorist wars
Many of us, observing the antics of ISIS, have come to the opinion that this is what Muslimism is like. NO THIS IS NOT WHAT MUSLIMISM IS LIKE, THIS IS WHAT RELIGION IS LIKE –at least all of the monotheistic religions Please, let’s not allow them to continue to divide and conquer as they please
These Religions require unquestioning obedience to a deity and if you should go against that deity’s will he will order his clergy to seek you out and punish you most cruelly
And clergy are the only ones who can converse with this god—so in essence, it is the clergy to whom you must submit. And that’s religion. It worked reasonably well – before science arrived–as a method to maintain tribal peace by insisting on conformation in respect to ideas and attitudes.
Though religion in this secular world has been forced to appear far more tolerant now that they can no longer punish their dissidents, this is not because basic religion has changed and fundamentalist groups are here to remind us of that. What has changed is that our secular society has stripped religions of the power to punish their followers. They, necessarily, have had to adjust to public opinion assuming an air of tolerance When fear can no longer work, salesmanship and psychology manage to take its place . But even here, religion’s true character seeps through, for they still hang on to their ancient scripts, full of cruel penalties and, in the privacy of the pulpit, the clergy can still play effective mind games that warn their flock about the price of disobedience, threatening dire punishment beyond the grave should they ignore the tenets of their deity.
So, no, what we see playing out in Africa is not Muslimism, it s plain old religion free from secular restraint and we should not lose sight of that fact, for it can reemerge with full power here too. Indeed, it is knocking at the door as we speak.
Don’t let religion get off the hook on this one . Though many branches seem quite tolerant, note that ancient book their clergy still carry under their arms—. and its basic message: an absolute authority (god/clergy) demands your complete submission to its will, irrespective of your personal values. Cheers,, Andy

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Us or Religion?

When we finally woke up and saw that
there was no such a thing as a god, why did we not just call ourselves atheists?

Because some felt that something was needed to fill the void. What void? Well, many still bought the idea that religion had been holding civilization together, after all, religion has always took credit for all good things and especially our moral standards

But things are not always what they seem-here is an example:
ake Western culture’s pride in the discoveries of Galileo. Can religion take credit for Galileo’s great achievement? Not too likely-The Pope made it clear that his tootsies would burn to a crisp if he did not recant

So who can take credit then? Why, Sapiens could. This species’ insatiable curiosity to observe and evaluate everything in its sight made it most likely that one of its members would make this discovery..

Similarly, this species tends toward cooperating and negotiating, have enough intelligence to see that there are consequences to pay if they step out of line.

So it seems to me it has been our genetic nature -not religion–that has had this civilizing effect on our culture —

As I once said, If you are banging your head against the wall to get rid of that headache, just stop and it will go away and so will religion, just let it go.
Cheers, Andy

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TRUTH ETERNAL

TRUTH ETERNAL
Words have evolved from our earliest, primitive days and many have become so outmoded as to interfere with clear thinking. “Truth” in my opinion, is one of these words.. I see “Truth” as a mirage that lures those thirsty for knowledge away from the very evidence that could empower them.
Understandably, our ancestors looked for a secret code, a holy grail, a final answer to all things — some kind of explanation for the demon haunted world they lived in.
But surely, with better than four thousand years of acquired knowledge under our belt we should know better today.
First off, we now know that we are limited to a mammal’s comprehension of this universe. Our eyes have evolved over millions of years for specific purpose – – to find prey and avoid predators. Our brains have evolved over millions of years for similar purpose. We are probably no more able to comprehend certain aspects of this universe than can a horse save its foal from drowning by lifting it up out of the creek.
Further, our brains limit how much data we can process. For instance, if twenty stations were beaming into our TV set at once, all we would see is a blurry mess. Only by reducing the amount of stations hitting on our set could we begin to make sense of things and then most clearly only when we were down to just one station.. Similarly, the kaleidoscope of universal knowledge is too much for us to take in, and we are forced to abstract (falsify) information from the universe in order to make
sense of things..
It should be apparent, therefore, that the ancients concept of truth as representative of ideal or fundamental reality is limited to the simple world they knew – -a flat earth beneath a star studded canopy or heaven, in which everything could be explained as the whim of a deity.
In place of using Truth as a criterion, I think we would find better answers to our problems by following Korzybski’s suggestion to look on the real world as the “territory” and our understanding or perception of that territory as our “map” of that real world or “territory.”
And when we approach a problem from this point of view, it soon becomes clear that whether a given map is useful to us will depend not only on how accurately it may represent that territory, but also on whether we can easily comprehend, and therefore use, the information it supplies.
For instance, if we are driving cross country, we use a road map, which we know is not an accurate copy of the territory, but if we used a more accurate map, say an aerial photograph, we would find it difficult to discern our route. Our maps need to be limited to the type of information needed for that specific task.
In other words, our map is primarily evaluated by its usefulness, not by its “truth”. While we want it to be representative of the territory, we must also be able to understand it, so we must reject the “true” map — a map that is identical to the territory– because too much information would obstruct our view.
We appear mentally unable to contemplate all things at one time: our method is to wade into the information, sifting for relevant facts that, when combined, will give us an orderly, cohesive picture of our subject. As we said, if a road map were made from aerial photographs, and thus to scale, it would be difficult to find our way to the next city.. “Truth,” in this case, obstructs.
And, since we need to make our maps functionally useful, it follows that truth is not what we are really after when we look for answers. “Usefulness” would be a far better criterion of the information we seek than is “truth”.
One instance: Newton’s laws were considered to represent the truth until Einstein and his lads came along with their new, revised, version, yet engineers continue to build bridges and buildings in accordance with Newtonian laws. Why? Because they work.
So I suggest that, if we can’t dump the word entirely, the least we can do – – since the word is most often used to steer us away from further investigation – – is to be alert to that danger whenever it is so used. When people say they are seeking the Truth, they most probably are trying to avoid current evidence.

Andrew Mulcahy

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Pity the poor philosopher who fervently, desperately
seeks the “Truth”
in order to avert his gaze from the reality before his eyes.”

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Thinling on the Unknown

Thinking on the unknown:
Thinking on the unknown:
It is possible there are many things in this vast universe that we will never know about. Seems unlikely that always efficient nature would endow us with knowledge that is not needed to ensure the continuity of our species. We are limited to a mammal’s comprehension of this Universe. Our eyes have evolved over millions of years for specific purpose – – to find prey and avoid predators. Our brains have evolved over millions of years for similar purpose. We are probably no more able to comprehend certain aspects of this universe than can a horse save its foal from drowning by lifting it up out of the creek.

While this is no problem for our species, since nature supplies us with the intellectual capability needed to help us survive as a species, it is one hell of a problem for our philosophers who may be driven to embrace theology, where words like” Truth”, and “Spiritual” still mean something:))
Andrew Mulcahy
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Naturalism is in, hypocrisy is out

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can a humanist be good without god?

Can we can be good without God?
Both Humanists and atheists have been wasting their time trying to convince believers that they can be good without god. Trouble is it is not us we have to convince, it is the believer who has been taught that THEY could not be good if it were not for their fear of almighty god. To them, any angry or lustful thought that entered their head would have been acted on if not for this fear of god. Not hard to see why they think atheists can ignore common decency with impunity without a similar deterrant .

And yet most of us know that most of our Christian friends are decent people who–even if free of this deterrent– would still act decently, with full respect for others. They are responsible citizens and demonstratively so. Or, to put into the words of this great man:

“A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.”

– Albert Einstein, “Religion and Science,” New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930

So it is up to us, if we want to shrug off this stigma, we must actively promote our fellow Christian’s sense of personal decency.
This is the ONLY way we can become fully accepted by society
Cheers, Andy Mulcahy

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About this being good thing

Can we be god without god?

Atheists and humanists are wasting their time trying to convince believers that they can be good without god There is no point to this because our real task is to convince believers that THEY can be good without god

Understandably, if they are truly convinced they would succumb to every temptation without being held in check. by their fear of god, they most naturally would see us as free to do whatever we feel like doing.
Now I think we all know that most believers would still be and act like decent people even if there was no god, ( Fact is, we are all best kept in check by the fear of consequences, but there is good old empathy too)We all want to be friends.

So we might say, what is the problem? And here is the problem—these people have been convinced that without this fear of god, they would act out every ‘sinful’ thing they ever thought of.
And what is the potent tool religious leaders use to such great effect? SEX They KNOW that all of their flock have touched themselves or had a lusty thought. (Made in God’s image? No wonder god fried his son to save our asses.)
“There is no health in us.” is the constant denunciation that convinces their flock that they cannot control themselves.
If we can convince them that they are really good people, no matter what, then they will see that we, too, can be good people

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HELLO VICTORIA

HAPPY HERETICS

We HAPPY HERETICS
hold a person to be more important than any idealogy or religion, so we actively defend a woman’s right to choose, free from any interference , a gay’s right to equal treatment and an individuals right to die with dignity.
For that reason, we intend to start up a society that acts as a Think Tank, seeking ways to improve society’s attitudes towards both women and others who are facing discrimination based on sex. Recently an attorney in the U.S. took her rifle to a mall, threatening to shoot the first transgender who dares enter a toilet. One transgender had already been killed. Obviously sex can really freak people out and we need to expose how that can be.
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Every time women make an advance in America a backlash, using the Bible as their weapon strikes back, often by passing ever more restrictive laws—there have even been attempts to defund Planned Parenthood.

Is there a way that we can render the bible impotent? We need answers to questions like this

Admittedly we have not the power of organations Like Planned Parentood or Women agains tViolence
But I believe that many brains, working on the same problem can be a powerful force in itself.
. What we are asking you to do is to take troubling issues and put them under the micrscope and see what we can unearth.

We already have a listserver—BABG @ yahoo.com
You can contact me, Andy to discuss this at:

monist@shaw.ca
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These continuing and relentless attempts to sell the public that abortion is murder is gathering steam in Canada, increment by increment, and I think it is time for the prochoice groups to drop their defensive stance and aggressively counter attack this wholly illogical but very emotional prolife position.
First I am convinced that they have no real feeling for the fetus itself but priests have wisely chosen an issue that exploits our innate concern for our young as a way to dissuade women, particularly single women, from engaging in sexual practices that broach the Catholic Priests standards of morality by forcing them to bear an unwanted baby, no matter whether they want to or not, no matter how the unwanted child will fare in life..They know that women will be less likely to engage in sex if there is a real danger that they’ll get pregnant and this is the specific reason for their pretentious concern for the fetus. It expresses nothing in itself,
But when a grown adult man expresses emotional concern for the contents of a strangers’ uterus, I think we can safely say that his concern is pure maudlin nonsense or is scary, very scary.
Now on a very different level, I think that improving the image of women would go a long way to de-motivate those pro-lifers and their supporters, who see women as immoral if they show any sign of basic human nature. For example, consider those women who protest outside of clinics but go into the clinic for an abortion and then go back to protest at the same clinic, justifying their own abortion because “ I am not one of those sluts”. Right there you have the attitude of a lot of people in today’s society towards women who need an abortion and it is this attitude we have to change NOW LETS DO IT

Andy Mulcahy 2016

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HELLO VICTORIA

Atheist, Freethinkers
COME JOIN A NEW SOCIETY, The HAPPY HERETICS
If you find you can live without divine assistance, Come join us at a meeting to take a look at forming a new society, en titled the Happy Heretics, who are fed up with the time it is taking to free women and gays from unjustified, disparaging criticism and laws that tend to impair their right to equal treatment .And to challenge any attempt to teach anything not substantiated by measurable evidence . Lets put kindness and respect back into our culture. Rational thinking does that. Emotional thinking always hurts someone
If you are interested, join us Sunday at 10 a.m. in the JBI Cafe’ – James Bay Inn
270 Government St, Victoria, BC V8V 2L2: Phone 250-389-6770

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VICTORIA RESIDENTS

Atheist, Freethinkers
COME JOIN A NEW SOCIETY, The HAPPY HERETICS
If you find you can live without divine assistance, Come join us at a meeting to take a look at forming a new society, en titled the Happy Heretics, who are fed up with the time it is taking to free women and gays from unjustified, disparaging criticism and laws that tend to impair their right to equal treatment .And to challenge any attempt to teach creationism or other aspects of religion as if it had been substantiated by verifiable, measurable evidence . In short, we object to the
Church intruding into our secular education system. If you are interested, join us Sunday at 10 a.m. in the JBI Cafe’ – James Bay Inn
270 Government St, Victoria, BC V8V 2L2: Phone 250-389-6770

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CANCER and RELIGION

Cancer and religion
stalk the human race
If one don’t get ya
the other might
One seeps in silently
The other– a smiling face
One tortures your brain
The other your body
Beware these two evils
Escape the deadly rack

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WHAT HAS SEX TO DO WITH IT?

Ancient text tended to encourage men to have as many offspring as
possible. It was important to protect the family and the tribe by increasing their population This would make sense, since in those days as a child’s chance of reaching adulthood would be slim at best: they had no defense against disease and children would be a tempting treat to predators, some of whom were more powerful than we. Not much said about women back then but easy to see they were essentially seen as breeders. Obviously abortion and nonproductive sexual activity (gays) would be shunned..

But fast forward to this century and we find that our survival is now threatened by over 7 Billion of us critters crowded onto this small planet, a planet whose land mass is shrinking—mainly because of the needs of our ever expanding human population.

So why do we still have people so opposed to abortion and who detest gay activity Why??

Because we have far too many who are still taught that they must conform to these ancient standards-or else.. Republicans are treating women as if they were breeders by passing draconian laws . and threatening transsexuals– Read on:

An Attorney in America states that she’d take a gun to restrooms so she can shoot trans sexual people. One transsexual has already been shot in a mall for this supposedly “crime”. Eleven states intend to sue their President for legalizing transsexual rights. Meanwhile Muslims continue to behead anyone who is found guilty of being transsexual.

How did physical intimacy get such a bad name.? Sex is simply a genetic drive, morality does not apply Yes ethics, as always, applies. But what is ethical about a priest using children for personal pleasure? What is ethical about teachers and coaches molesting children? What is ethical about a man masturbating in a women’s body against her will?

But note—all this moral outrage is NOT directed against these crimes, hell no, this outrage is directed at people for just being who they are.
Andy Mucahy

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